Re: [Full-disclosure] XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do online

[XF <theiemsolution@xxxxxxxxx>]

So you think this is real ? All Tiers 1 would be partner with NSA ? Even in 
Europ ? This sound crazy 



Le 1 août 2013 à 22:19, Gary Baribault <gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> Don't forget that they also have to back haul that data to their data centres 
> !! They would have to have secret agreements with all of the Tier 1 carriers. 
> Sure sounds far fetched!
> 
> Gary B
> 
> 
> On 08/01/2013 03:51 PM, XF wrote:
>> Right. But where are their tap ? In Internet Exchange Point ? In AS ? And 
>> how can they do that ? "Hello, I'm NSA, can I get a TAP on your network" :-) 
>>  This would say that ISP agree and the amount of data to transfer would be 
>> so vast . How can they transfer all this amount of data into their system ??
>> 
>> 
>> Le 1 août 2013 à 20:56, Gary Baribault <gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>> 
>>> Optically tapping ALL of the submarine cable going into and out of the U.S. 
>>> would still not give them ALL of the claimed data. They have to be tapping 
>>> all of the major traffic exchange sites in the U.S. to get this kind of 
>>> data.
>>> 
>>> Gary B
>>> 
>>>  On 08/01/2013 11:31 AM, XF wrote:
>>> > Did you understood how
>>>             they collect data ? This is not clear for me...ISP backdoor
>>>             ? Optical tap on sub marine wire ? 
>>> 
>>>             >
>>> 
>>>             > Le 1 août 2013 à 16:26, Georgi Guninski 
>>> <guninski@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>             a écrit :
>>> 
>>>             >
>>> 
>>>             >> it will be interesting to me what will remain of
>>>             the nsa
>>> 
>>>             >> when the chinese comrades stop giving fresh money
>>>             to the usa.
>>> 
>>>             >>
>>> 
>>>             >> Detroit news are not very pink.
>>> 
>>>             >>
>>> 
>>>             >> On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 11:20:27PM +1200, Hugh
>>>             Davenport wrote:
>>> 
>>>             >>> meanwhile, in new zealand, prime minister
>>>             suggests that we aren't
>>> 
>>>             >>> the slaves for nsa...
>>> 
>>>             >>>
>>> 
>>>             >>> On 2013-08-01 19:23, Georgi Guninski wrote:
>>> 
>>>             >>>> XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do
>>>             online
>>> 
>>>             >>>>
>>> 
>>>             >>>>
>>>             
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/31/prism_put_in_the_shade_by_leak_about_even_more_powerful_snoop_tool/
>>> 
>>>             >>>> New NSA tool exposed: XKeyscore sees
>>>             'nearly EVERYTHING you do online'
>>> 
>>>             >>>>
>>> 
>>>             >>>> From the presentation:
>>> 
>>>             >>>> * Show me all the exploitable machines in
>>>             country X
>>> 
>>>             >>>>
>>> 
>>>             >>>> * How do I find a cell of terrorust that
>>>             has no
>>> 
>>>             >>>> connection to known strong-selectors
>>> 
>>>             >>>> **Anomalous events
>>> 
>>>             >>>> ***Someone who is using encryption
>>> 
>>>             >>>>
>>> 
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